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IGNITOR’s latest album, Horns and Hammers, is a powerful blend of classic heavy metal and thrash. We discuss their creative process, influences, and thrilling collaborations.

1. Congratulations on the release of Horns and Hammers! The album delivers a full-on metal assault. How did you approach the songwriting process this time around? Were there any changes compared to your previous records ?

-JASON - Thanks. We love how it came out. The material shows growth in some ways even we did not expect. Roberts riffs came to us in barrels. He really had alot of cool parts to choose from. It inspired us all. The band were rehearsing without me for weeks. They write in a room together, old school. Robert had a few things put together already, and then the other guys worked on composition and brought their...the old IGNITOR sound to it. They would send me rough demos. Most of it would be basic raw recordings, some with just the guitar with a click track. Sometimes I demand they record  Pat ( drums) with the riff, to give it some feel. It can be a bit stale, and un-inspiring if it is the riff with nothing but a drum machine and the riffs. I dug deep with the lyrics, and dark places took me on a journey of sadness and bloody deaths of warriors, fighting for revenge,angry about who they came to be. Incest, and war , and hate for your own family in my stories. very angry  and brooding in someone's mind's eye. I do not usually like my lyrics much, but these , I am quite proud of. My melodies almost wrote themselves, with classic minor chord progressions , the melodies ask for a certain flow. I feel like it was a fast work ethic, I felt a bit of pressure, since the band were putting tons of energy into the music. I had to get to work as they were churning them out fast. My themes mostly coming from movies, TV, books, stories, sometimes it can be one phrase that I will hear, then spawns an idea for the lyrics.

PAT - For this record, Robert brought in a half dozen or so killer riffs that Stuart and I built upon to create some demos for Jason to work on lyrics.  Billy and Robert helped flesh those out instrumentally at rehearsals. 

2. The album features an impressive mix of classic heavy metal, NWOBHM, thrash, and even prog-metal influences. How do you manage to balance these styles while still maintaining that signature Ignitor sound?

-JASON-The sound of the band maintains itself. Don't get me wrong, Robert was truly the inspiration on the record. His input and energy, unmatched, but, I must say the sound of IGNITOR, I feel is coming from Stuart's playing and tone, alongwith what Pat and Billy are doing in the rhythm compositions, are making it have a certain feel. IGNITOR has been around a long time, but we have known each other for over 30 years, so collectively, we have a certain feel of what it is going to sound like, without ever having any plan , or talking about what a song will do. Robert, bringing the touches that make it feel new and bring it to life, only to amplify our sound..

PAT- Stuart and I have been playing together on the regular for 20 years. Over that time the band developed a certain stylistic way of playing heavy metal. It's partially attributable to our choice of equipment and the crafting of our songs.  Drawing from our deep pool of punk rock, hard rock, and heavy metal influences, as well as some younger bands, I think we found a sweet spot that distinguishes our sound from most of our contemporaries.

3. You’ve mentioned that Horns and Hammers sets a high bar following your previous albums Haunted by Rock ‘N’ Roll and The Golden Age of Black Magick. What were your goals for this album, and do you feel you’ve achieved them?

-JASON- There was not any new plan. It was a natural display of things that Robert, Stuart and Billy were bringing in and molding. Pat would play the riffs and push the songs through , to become something in the rehearsal situation. Pat already knows what he might play. Stuart is great at suggesting things for Pat, but he has a knack for there being the obvious pattern, playing the riff on the drums, and making sure the patterns match the guitars. Same with the bass lines. In short answer, it is still very natural. The goals were to write songs together as a group. there is a certain sort of smell that we are looking for. Like cooking food. It is again, natural for us to know what will work.

PAT - Our goal has always been to have fun and maybe reach a wider audience, and this album is just another step on that pathway. 


4. The title track, Horns and Hammers, is a speed-metal war cry. What’s the story behind this song? How did it come together in terms of music and lyrics?

-JASON Horns and Hammers, is about a sort of tribe. They might have lived on the plains, or in the mountains. They have enemies, they have families to protect. they are warriors in seek of living their lives free and happy, but never without having to keep an eye out for intruders, pirates and thieves.  revenge is constant, they have been pillaged so many times, their ancestors' families ,had lives taunted by outsiders looking to wipe them out and take their wares, their lands, and murder destroy them for power. The warriors in this tribe are always on lookout, spies sent in to always know their enemies' next move. They had hard lives, and strived to be safe, but that always takes a lot of planning and work. Crafting their own weaponry. No gunpowder available, it could be tribal survival.

5. Jason McMaster’s vocals have been a huge part of Ignitor’s identity. What was his lyrical inspiration for this album, and how did his approach shape the overall feel of the record?

-JASON- I watch too much TV. I do not read enough, but I have alot of books. It is important to me to have a starting point. Most of the time, it is started, inspired by a phrase, or a story line I saw, or read about. Then, sometimes, I just start with word play and it makes sense later on after a swirl of phrases that just come from my head, without any outside verbiage, or story. I must admit, that some phrases are taken from something I will research, and I might even take phrases from the journalist, and put it into a roll out of phrases I create from their phrasing, or their info about the topic. I believe I watched too much Game of Thrones, when I read through some of the lyrics for this record. The title track almost seems to fit that admission, but, it does not. Suicide Anthem, is taken from an actual place and story. There is a forest/jungle, in Japan, found at the base of Mount Fuji , called Aokigahara ( ay, yoki- gah- hah- rah) Forest., some call it Sea of Trees. Long ago, the volcano above spewed lava and it filled the basin below. Over 100s of years, the hardened lava floor grew over with twisted root trees and ground coverage, super thick brush/ unlevel grounds, making it hard to just walk through this forest. The elders of families would be led there, and left for dead, when they became ill, and the families could not care for them any longer. In the last century, depressed and or drug addicted people would go to this forest to commit their final act of taking their life. People go there to walk, or run for exercise., Some become lost and are later found dead. A place that is real, that exists , made for the story line for Suicide Anthem. the lyrics almost wrote themselves.

6. There’s a diverse array of tracks on the album, from the gothic Suicide Anthem to the cowbell-driven Shattered Crosses. How do you keep the energy and creativity flowing with such a wide range of styles?

-JASON-  it truly has to be in the writing of Robert and Stuart. Their riff writing sessions are creating the beginnings of something that works, or will not work. I feel like a lot of bands might have the same song tempo for more than a few songs on their record. This happens to IGNITOR sometimes as well, but we do not think about that too much. The grooves, tempos and composition is vital. The dynamic of the riff, and feel. the stop start riff and phrasing of what the band is doing, will tell me immediately what my lyric and or my melody needs to do. It inspires what everything else needs to do. We feel we know what sounds like IGNITOR, and what does not.

PAT - We don't want to be constrained by formulaic songwriting, without sacrificing the stamp of our definitive brand of US heavy metal.  You won't ever hear Ignitor play EDM or pop, that's a promise, but we aren't afraid to show our rhythmic and melodic chops when it's warranted.

7. The track Ferocious the Martyrs features guest keyboardist Gabriel Guardian. What was it like working with him, and how did his contribution enhance the song’s atmosphere?

-JASON-Robert had the song, pretty much intact, and brought it into the fold. Important to this, was what Pat and Billy were going to do to the song, to naturally make it IGNITOR. Robert knows the Immortal Guardian guys, we have done shows together, and are friends. Robert reached out to Gabriel to collaborate and add the keys to the track. When I heard the track, it was later in the writing sessions, and was the last lyric I wrote for the record. It became one of my favorites. The song had the held out notes with the old Hammond B3/ Wurlitzer/ Leslie (spinning speaker) tone that Deep Purple kinda had on alot of their classic songs. I feel like it gave me room to tell a story about how views on wrong doing can make someone stand up for something, and put themselves in harm's way for that very belief system. It could be political, it could be to save face for a movement, it could be anything that takes a fight, but can be a complete and ultimate sacrifice, only to raise the awareness needed. This has happened throughout history as we know. The power revealed within oneself, and can be used not only in vain, but to create awareness to a cause that almost needs this kind of sacrifice for it to become a real known threat. A martyr can just be a token, and laughed off. This is not that. It is the power to move a societal way of thinking. That personal internal power of mind and body to take the bullet, to complete a mission, is an unbelievable commitment. It is a monster inside, that most of us never realize. The track somehow made me go this way

PAT - I love this track, it reminds me of listening to Uriah Heep while smoking hashish with my pals in high school.

8. You’ve got a cover of Saxon’s Machine Gun on the album, which includes guest appearances by Ross The Boss, Marc Lopes, and Gabriel Guardian. What was the experience like collaborating with such legendary names in metal?

-JASON-Saxon is a major influence on metal. They are a no frills hard Rock/ Heavy Metal band that is long running since the 70's. they written all styles of the genre, but keep the groove and the power all there, all the time. Machine Gun is a fast paced solid Metal tune we all love. Robert suggested it, and none in IGNITOR even blinked an eye at the idea to cover the track.  Gabriel is not on the track, but, the work with marc and Ross came from Robert's connection and friendship with Ross, and Marc, I met in Germany at last years KEEP IT TRUE RISING festival, where my band WATCHTOWER went on right before METAL CHURCH ( Marc sings for METAL CHURCH, LET US PREY and ROSS THE BOSS).  Marc and I met briefly, and after we got back to the states. Metal Church guitarist Kurdt Vanderhoof, gave me Mar's contact info so we could stay in touch. Marc lives in the Boston area and my other band DANGEROUS TOYS, played near his home, just a few weeks after we met in Germany. This DT show would be where we learned of each others connection with being into alot of the same stuff. He is an incredible singer and personality. I reached out to Marc to do a duet for MACHINE GUN, and Robert had the idea to get Ross ( manowar) on guitar for the track. True irony, that Marc and Ross are both in Roos's band "ROSS THE BOSS". he did a ripping guitar solo on the track, and Marc sent in his vocal tracks and collectively, we had created something special on this version for the classic Saxon song. Marc also has his own video, digital creative company called SONATHERIA. So Marc had a lot to do with the awesome video we made for MACHINE GUN, that will be released later this year.

9. The cover art for Horns and Hammers was created by Claudio Bergamin, who has also worked with Judas Priest and Burning Witches. How did you connect with Claudio, and what message did you want the cover to convey?

-JASON-I met Claudio at a convention called HEADBANGERSCON, in 2018, in Portland, Or. he was one of the artists, alongside other guests, myself, eddie Ojeda, Ron Keel, Dirk Vanburen, Eddie Munster ( Butch Patrick), david Ellefson, etc.. Claudio and I just started talking, and I had seen his art and he was so cool and down to earth.  We started working together not long after. he has done art for almost all of my bands now. Two CASSIUS KING album covers, a few shirt designs for Dangerous Toys, and now a new IGNITOR cover art piece. The song DARK HORSE and IMPERIAL BLOODLINES come into play with this character I sort of created. He is angry, he doesn't like himself or the demanding and twisted general he works for, who happens to possibly be his father.. He is a product of incest, and of hate. he is the best warrior/soldier in his army, but he is a loner in his depression. If you truly look into his eyes on the cover art, it is obvious, to me anyway, that he is offset, he is not happy at all. He is the "Dark Horse" that he rides. scars on his soul and his body. The constant taste of blood on his lips. Claudio nailed it on this. it is more about the sad warrior on the road of bones, than it is a knight with his horse. that can come off quite boring, as power metal cover art can do. This is something different, if you are really paying attention to the songs, and the cover art. They are supposed to tie together. i hope people read this, and take another look and another listen. Read the lyrics.

10. Can you tell us more about the live recording of Hell Shall Be Your Home? What made you decide to include this live track, and how does it reflect the energy of an Ignitor performance?

-JASON- Record at a funny named venue in Austin Texas. the venue is Kick Butt Coffee. A humbly sized haunt in the northside of Austin. A great place, a good PA system and fun people running the shows there. They have a state of the art recording facility, with great video production as well. We didn't even know we were being recorded back then in 2019 at that show. Ernie, the house sound guru, sent our friend Dave Prewitt ( Dave TV, look him up, he is a legendary local music supporter for almost 3 decades)  and dave sent a rough mix to me. I found out he had all of the stems/ tracks, I sent those to Stuart and Stu mixed the show. came out awesome. and you can get the cd or listen to the show on all streaming platforms. Metal on Metal wanted a bonus track.  We gave them HELL SHALL BE YOUR HOME, from that live show. The covid pandemic hit the weeks after that show. We were lucky to have that recording to release as a live record "BEFORE THE PLAGUE" just as everything shut down, and we had to cancel shows. I am glad we can share that song on the new IGNITOR record. make note that this song is only on the METAL ON METAL RECORDS version of "Horns and Hammers". the US release on REVOLTVINYLRECORDS.COM will have MACHINE GUN as the bonus track.

11. The vinyl version of the album will include a bonus track and has been mastered specifically for that format. How important is it for you to deliver a unique experience for fans who collect physical media like vinyl?

-JASON- Yes, the vinyl version as well as the US release on REVOLT VINYL RECORDS, will have MACHINE GUN as the bonus track.  I am a firm believer in the ritual, the taking out of the vinyl plater, to believe it is the closest tangible thing to the actual sound going into the microphone, the amp, the stick hitting the drum, the pounding on wood and wire, that a music fan can get. pressing a little button on a device, a baby can do that. the ritual is not dead. and some feel like they need to spoil themselves by just snapping their fingers to be entertained by someone else's intellectual property. Vinyl is a great way to enjoy the power of music. Cds are a close second and yes, a bit more convenient, but there is still a sort of ritual. there are zero snapping of fingers, and the sound is not exactly as intended, as it is for vinyl. It is super expensive to produce vinyl product, but having small orders of it, even, to satisfy the mighty few who believe in the ritual, is worth it to me.

12. Looking ahead, what’s next for Ignitor? Can we expect a tour to support Horns and HammersAre there any future projects already in the works?

-JASON- We plan on playing some shows to celebrate this record. if we get offers to do more than the shows we can do at our convenience, we are always, always, alwasy...open to entertain the idea of festival offers and special events, to play our brand of IGNITOR metal.

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